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Sharon Knettell 04-06-2003 10:57 AM

Lovely, gorgeous!
 
Beth,

Thank God you posted these new pictures. The others were so pasty, I was beginning to wonder what Bill Whitaker's pallette was and avoid it. They were really dreadful so I thought I would slink away from this post! This really is beautiful, and I like the sparkles. You really are zooming along! I love the shadow from the veil, that is very hard to make work.

I do have some teeny tiny comments as you said you were interested. I would soften her forehead a bit. The cheek to our right down to the neck needs simplifying, soften that area a bit. I leave out things sometimes that are not necessary to define the form, ex. some neck wrinkles etc.. That is called editing. The cheek could use a bit more pink. I always over-rouge my models, and somehow it works in a painting. Stuart always did that and I think he did the most amazing skintones of any portrait painter. You cannot believe how rich and translucent his faces are. Plus he was a Rhode Islander!

Sincerely,

Elizabeth Schott 04-06-2003 12:29 PM

Thank you all so much! I promise I will address all questions and concerns.

Sharon, I'll need to think about how to soften her forehead; all of my daughters have their father's rather large one!

Now I need to clarify in case some lookers glance quickly through this post;
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I was beginning to wonder what Bill Whitaker's pallette was and avoid it
I don't want Bill to smack my knuckles with his malh stick - so let me reiterate. Bill said this was one of my best skin tones (not saying there was not room for a ton of improvement to be made) and that all work, as it improves, should never be less than this. He is an awesome teacher!

Plus, (Marvin will may kill me or get out his black hat depending on what he thinks of this), it was his colors that made it click for me. So I am glad you realized it was the first posted digital image that looked really sub-par! :)

I really love taking this journey with all of you! :sunnysmil

Sharon Knettell 04-06-2003 09:43 PM

Good Grief!
 
Beth,

I was referring to an earlier post of this, this is a different one isn't it? The skintones were entirely different and quite, let us say, pinky grey. I don't want anyone to think I am castigating Bill's palette! Good Heavens!

Just a note, I was cleaning my studio today, actually I had lost a negative and after hours of searching I came to the conclusion that a complete cleaning was in order and the only option. I came across a photo of a piece I did about 8 years ago. Generally I destroy most of the evidence of my incompetence, but I had missed this gem. All I can say is take heart! Just keep at it. I would post this horror but I nearly died when I saw it and I am a complete coward.

I just meant to soften the edge, do not change the shape.

Sincerely,

Chris Saper 04-06-2003 09:46 PM

Sharon and Beth,

I might have eroneously moved Sharon's post here; if so my apologies. I think Beth may have replaced the older image.

Marvin Mattelson 04-07-2003 12:23 AM

Higher and Higher
 
Macbeth (I love that),

I'm so glad you were able to create your most successful painting to date and I'm flattered that my flesh palette contributed in some small way. I think when you actually see the way I set it up and how it is used you will be able to take it much further still, making the color even more lifelike and naturalistic.

The beautiful work and the wonderful progress that my students are making is a tremendous source of satisfaction for me.

Painting is difficult enough without having to negotiate through complex and unweildy color arrangements. I think that after you experience my workshop in Greensboro, which is completely filled BTW, you will understand the context behind the palette and hopefully soar to even greater heights. Look out Pino!

Elizabeth Schott 04-07-2003 10:52 PM

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Oh my goodness... I might need a Depends! Marvin liked it! HOORAY! :)

But I did make some changes based on comments of Sharon and Michele.

So here is the new and improved, it actually looks more like Amanda, especially in the nose.

I hope I haven't messed it up, I know it is another major learning on when to stop.

Elizabeth Schott 04-07-2003 10:55 PM

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I forgot to mention, I'm glad you noticed my graphic business name Marvin, you know us Mac addicts!

Here is the close-up:

Mike McCarty 04-07-2003 11:32 PM

Way to go, Beth! You did a great job on this painting.

Linda Brandon 04-08-2003 10:25 AM

Dear Beth,

I hadn't seen your work in a long time and I was so delighted to see this wonderful piece. You should be very proud of this painting. Nice job! I look forward to meeting you at Bill Whitaker's workshop, Beth.

Best regards,
Linda

Leslie Ficcaglia 04-09-2003 04:42 PM

Very, very nice, Beth! The skin tones are handled beautifully and I'll bet Amanda is just thrilled to see herself depicted so dramatically and effectively.


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