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Elizabeth Schott 09-21-2003 06:57 PM

Father Jan Schmidt
 
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Well hopefully this one is soup, thus the question.

This is Father Jan Schmidt, who is the pastor of one of our larger Catholic parishes. They just completed building a new church.

This is an oil on linen, 24" x 18".

Comments and suggestions are still welcome, I have not released it yet.

Elizabeth Schott 09-21-2003 06:58 PM

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Here is a close-up of his face.

Elizabeth Schott 09-21-2003 07:00 PM

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Here is the close-up of his hands.

As always I apologize for the images not looking their greatest.

Jeff Fuchs 09-21-2003 07:30 PM

Wow, Beth. You just raised the bar again. When did you learn to paint hands like that? You had been struggling with them before.

His facial features look a little exaggerated, but not having seen a photo, I'll assume they're correct.

Very nice work!

Michele Rushworth 09-21-2003 07:37 PM

I'd have to say "wow" too, especially of that hand and fabric closeup. You have really rocketed forward in your work this year, Beth!

I do see some problems with the face, however. Can you post the reference? (Since this is the unveilings section and not critiques, I don't know if you want suggestions or not, though.)

Kimberly Dow 09-21-2003 08:00 PM

Great job Beth! I too appreciate the hands.

Mike McCarty 09-21-2003 08:43 PM

Beth,

Small tweaks aside, this is a very fine portrait. The composition, color harmony and execution are top notch in my opinion.

Congratulations.

Elizabeth Schott 09-22-2003 08:25 AM

I bet you guys hate it when I get around to shooting things.

I had Chris move this here (thank you) so you could rip away... this one really needs to be close to perfection.

Just posting it I could see a number of problems myself (plus with the help Marvin has given me because I am so high maintenance)in his head area. I will work on some changes today and post them plus the reference and we can take it from there.

Timothy C. Tyler 09-22-2003 09:43 AM

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Beth, it is clear that you are doing the one most important thing artists should do...you paint a great deal. You have posted many new works of late. This is the key to fast growth.

It is the key that requires labor and time. This is not the answer many painters want to hear.

Good for you! Tim

Mary Sparrow 09-22-2003 09:56 AM

Beth
 
I'm going to leave the critiquing to the real pros, but I will give you my first impression.

I think it is a wonderful portrait, but my eyes were more drawn to his hands than his face. (Excellent job on the hands!)

Jeff Fuchs 09-22-2003 10:52 AM

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It is the key that requires labor and time. This is not the answer many painters want to hear.
Amen, Brother! I'll be lucky to have worthwhile skills in time for retirement. I've wasted a lot of years assuming I could just start when I was ready.

Elizabeth Schott 09-22-2003 10:55 AM

Thanks guys.

Mary it is a good point, but one I am not sure how to reconcile. What if I put a little touch of brighter blue in the highlight area of his right eye?

There really isn't any reflective light that would be colorful for me to throw in his hair unless I make the grey areas have some blue catch lights. Hummmm?

Elizabeth Schott 09-22-2003 07:32 PM

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As promised, changes and scrap.

Here is the progress I made today:

Elizabeth Schott 09-22-2003 07:33 PM

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Here is a close-up of his face. I did not make any changes to his hands.

Elizabeth Schott 09-22-2003 07:36 PM

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Here is the composite color reference. I shot this a number of ways and am showing the color scrap, because I wanted you to see that he really did work on his tan, plus he told me he lost a number of pounds getting ready for this. :)

Elizabeth Schott 09-22-2003 07:42 PM

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I thought I would show this image to give you an idea of how inconsistant the shooting of these images are for me.

Different light from a different direction. The painting colors are based on my color sketch and the actually materials.

Steven Sweeney 09-23-2003 10:22 AM

Beth,

You said you really wanted this one to be

Lisa Gloria 09-23-2003 11:06 AM

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Beth, congratulations on a very important commission! I liked seeing the reference photo, and that you had draped behind him too. In the painting I thought your background was really nice, almost marbled, and now I see how you put that together. Also the hands really are excellent.

In addition to the things Steven mentioned I noticed the length of the face to be slightly different. I thought in the reference his eyebrows rather pointed up at each other, giving a kind expression. And in the reference, his upper lip is somewhat thicker than the lower, with the philtrum not quite as wide as in the painting. He seems to almost have a pursed lip expression, and I believe the size of the lip and philtrum give him that look.

Does the shadow side of his face seem quite dark, or is it just my monitor? The hands do not seem to have as great a tonal variation; maybe that is why it seems apparent.

Also, I think you did a very nice job rendering the suitcoat. (Or frock coat, or holy coat, or whatever the proper name is, sorry.) It seems very fluid and natural.

Steven Sweeney 09-23-2003 08:31 PM

Later note . . .

The catchlights in the eyes are formulaic. This is especially evident in the eye on our right. This is the shadow side of the face, yet the catchlight suggests a light shining on that side, from the front. You will not lose any effect by eliminating that catchlight.


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