Bargue Plate 5

Mischa Milosevic · 10-05-2006, 04:41 AM

Ilaria, no thank you. This is but a small contribution for the members of this forum a forum that has given me much.

Michele Rushworth · 10-05-2006, 09:35 PM

This is very interesting and I'm looking forward to seeing how this process will unfold!

Mischa Milosevic · 10-06-2006, 04:19 AM

Michele, I too am looking forward to see how this progresses. For me it is not just about giving instructions, the same must be clear and easy to follow. So, I hope to see image posts, from the forum, so we do not go of track.

If anyone is thinking of using tracing paper to check their progress DON'T. This will be defeating the purpose and one will lose more that gain. There is more to learn here then getting the lines right. Just taking three points of measurement is a lesson and a good habit to get into. Why? Later when you work on a live person this tree point practice will come in handy. You have no idea how much.
If you have everything setup do post a image of the setup. This will help you and me to get of to a good start. This will be difficult as it is, so lets check the setup.

All the best

Paul Foxton · 10-06-2006, 04:27 AM

Mischa, that's interesting you don't recommend using tracings to check. The book recommends it, I tried it on my last ears from plate 4 (after I'd finished them, not during, I think that's important) and found it quite instructive because it showed me how out I could be yet still think it was right to my eye - in short, how much eye training I still have to do.

I'm not arguing, I'm going to follow your instructions to the letter on this, just curious why you'd recommend not doing it?

By the way, had to work late last night so couldn't get started. Hopefully this evening.

Mischa Milosevic · 10-06-2006, 05:14 AM

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> My reasoning is this.When drawing from life, like the cast or live model, we will not have a tracing paper to use. It is best not to use it now rather push one self, our mind, our eye to see the mistakes. Measuring with a string should be enough to meashure and check. Can you see the beniffit? In the next category of exercises, there wont be a actual taped down plumb line, on the copy, all the time, to work from, only a imaginery plumb line. A plimb line that one will place visualise the point from which to measure and measure.
As for the tracing paper exercise. This principle can be used for shape exercises. Draw a shape, simple at first, then attempt to reproduce it perfectly. Give your self three checks with a tracing paper. The ear exercises, and such, can be used but it is better to draw shapes of sort. This way you are not atemting to make something look like a ear or an eye rather to make it exactly like the shape.

Paul Foxton · 10-19-2006, 04:11 PM

Hi Mischa,

Sorry for the delay, life has been a bit busy.

I've changed the set up now, sliced off the top schematic so I can move it up the drawing board, taped down the plumb line (I thought it sensible to use the vertical supplied) and drawn a corresponding vertical on my paper. I've checked that the board is level with a spirit level.

The plan is to give this about two hours per night, so it may take a little while. I'll give it more if I can find the time. Here's a pic of the current set up, hope you approve:

Mischa Milosevic · 10-19-2006, 04:50 PM

I visited your web page and saw that you have a lot of different art projects in the works. I have also noticed a lot of improvement especially in the last while. Your charcoal value studies are excellent and your one color studies are up there as well.

As for the Bargue exercises they are amassing teachers if only they are executed correctly. Many artists of today even some academy trained artists still have not fully grasped the value of th Bargue plates. I will give you a hint. The extent and the benefit you will understand if you complete the exercises properly. Four plates, that is all, and your minds eye will see thing you never thought possible.

Your set up looks good. Start of first by marking the top of the fut and the bottom. I stress the importance of these first marks to be level with the original copy. Why? Because later on when you glance back and forth from drawing to the copy this will help you to see if you are of or not. If the alignment is off, in the setup, then your mind needs to adjust in order for you to see your mistakes. I think you know this but for the benefit of others I have tried to explain the importance.

Good speed but precision is better.