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06-06-2008, 03:20 PM
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SOG Member FT Professional '04 Merit Award PSA '04 Best Portfolio PSA '03 Honors Artists Magazine '01 Second Prize ASOPA Perm. Collection- Ntl. Portrait Gallery Perm. Collection- Met Leads Workshops
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Location: Great Neck, NY
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Who you calling an "Old Master"?
I''l take one from column "A' and one from column "B".
Michael, they have arrived. This is a page from a chinese painting factory: http://www.angeloilpainting.com/arti...FQMoGgod6gPdWQ
This is right off their wbsite:[Quote] This art work from [B]old master[BI] Marvin Mattelson
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06-06-2008, 04:16 PM
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PAINTING PORTRAITS FROM LIFE MODERATOR FT Professional
Joined: Nov 2001
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Wow Marvin, that is freaky. Imagine, you too can have your own Marvin Mattelson reproduction painting for only "USD" as their shopping cart tells me.
I don't suppose there is anything you can do to get your stuff pulled off there?
One of the first things we learned in Kindergarten and Sunday School was to "not steal". Reproducing art that is in the public domain for money is one thing - grabbing stuff up from websites of artists that are still alive and painting is far another.
It seems to be an accepted part of the Chinese culture as it pervades everything from CDs to shoes to paintings. And the government does little to dissuade it.
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06-06-2008, 06:07 PM
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SOG Member FT Professional '04 Merit Award PSA '04 Best Portfolio PSA '03 Honors Artists Magazine '01 Second Prize ASOPA Perm. Collection- Ntl. Portrait Gallery Perm. Collection- Met Leads Workshops
Joined: May 2002
Location: Great Neck, NY
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Michael, I sent the site an email requesting removal of my name and images from their site. I was told it would be removed soon. I guess soon hasn't arrived yet.
There was actually a "sponsored link" to their site if you did a Google search for "marvin mattelson". I notified Google of the fact they were facilitating copyright infringement and the sponsored link was gone the next day.
In the meantime I may offer portraits of Chairman Mao on my site for a few yen.
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06-06-2008, 06:34 PM
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UNVEILINGS MODERATOR Juried Member
Joined: May 2005
Location: Narberth, PA
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Marvin, I guess this means you have arrived?
Just kidding. . .about something that I shouldn't kid about. It's despicable! And this goes on even without the "orphan art works" bill!
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06-06-2008, 08:22 PM
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CAFE & BUSINESS MODERATOR SOG Member FT Professional
Joined: Jul 2001
Location: Seattle, WA
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I see they're offering Bill Whitaker's stuff too, and work by Tony Ryder, Kirk Richards and many others.
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06-06-2008, 10:49 PM
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SOG Member FT Professional
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Location: Charlotte, NC
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06-06-2008, 10:52 PM
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Associate Member SoCal-ASOPA Founder FT Professional
Joined: Sep 2002
Location: Laguna Hills, CA
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I just really would love to see one of these copies in person and see what type of quality they are. If they are good, then I would love to know how the coyists are trained and within what time frame one person can produce one painting. Also makes me wonder how much these employees are getting paid for standing at an easel everyday working in long shifts.
SB you must have answered my question with your post while I was still typing. Thanks for the information!
Does anyone know what legal recourse artists have? Marvin or Bill have you ever come across someone you know who has seen your knock off work? What were their comments?
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06-07-2008, 10:37 AM
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UNVEILINGS MODERATOR Juried Member
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Location: Narberth, PA
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Thank you, SB, for the links. I found the first article especially interesting and informative. The emphasis seemed to be mainly on the consumer, stressing the inferiority of copied works and the public's love of a bargain.
Although the issue of illegality was mentioned, I thought the article did not cover this issue adequately. There was a lot of concern over how the heads of these enterprises are getting rich while the copyist "artists" are not paid well and work in sweatshop conditions. Of course this is outrageous, but what about the artists whose work is being copied illegally? These businesses are blatantly violating copyright law when they should be 1) asking permission to reproduce, 2) paying the original artists royalties, and 3) respecting the right of the original artists if these artists choose to deny them permission to reproduce. The artists should be making money from this (if they choose) but they are not. They should be paid retroactively for all sales. The whole point, in my opinion, is that these businesses should not exist, at least not in their present form.
The author urged the consumer not to buy "sweatshop" products in general. Again, although this is an important issue, it lumps this "art" in with all other sweatshop products from China. The issues of 1) stopping the sale of illegal goods, and 2) the money due to artists of the original works, get only a passing nod in this article.
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