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Old 04-26-2004, 12:25 PM   #31
Morris Darby Morris Darby is offline
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RE: Grid Method




I would like to say that I use the grid method for initial proportion translation, however, I have an approach different from any I've seen here.

I use rubber bands on my photo and my canvas/board. The very first photo I used to do a portrait from, the client told me to guard it with my life. So, I placed it ( 8x10) on a clipboard and put rubber bands every 2 inches vert. and horiz. I then took larger rubber bands and put them on my canvas the same way, say at 5 inches apart. I then sketch into the squares.

Now, I will say the only time I use a "method" of scale transfer is when the reference is small and the painting is large. I still enjoy the fact that oils stay wet for a long time giving me time to make all the adjustments for the likeness.
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Old 04-26-2004, 12:42 PM   #32
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Sharon,

When I was 13 years old, I was planning on becoming a fashion designer and illustrator. I found a book on fashion illustrating that suggested what you talk about here. So I drew and drew, all my figures and designs were eight heads tall. When I got to college, my life drawing professor said, "Draw what you see, Jean! Is that model really that long???" Go figure.

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Unfortunately as so many figurative artists have found, the instruction and knowledge of classic technique, in most art schools in the last two-thirds of the century was woefully inadequate. Most contemporary insructors are and were totally ignorant of them.
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Old 04-26-2004, 04:11 PM   #33
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Yes Sharon, painting in particular. I learned the tecniques of building, stretching and sizing a canvas, then bought the required list of pigments and linseed oil, and just started painting. Nothing beyond that. Everything I've learned about paint has been here. I did learn how to draw what I saw though.

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Old 04-26-2004, 05:45 PM   #34
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I will try that

Sharon,

Thank you for answering my question. I will try that. What an interesting concept, I'm glad to have that information, I don't know how I ever would have come across that without this forum.

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Old 05-23-2004, 11:09 PM   #35
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Mike, That's new idea for me. I will give it a try. I am sure it will help me a lot. Thanks for the tip. I use grid method and quite a time I am confused with the proper size conversion on the canvas as far as eyes and lips are concerned.
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Old 05-23-2004, 11:29 PM   #36
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I have now started using newer technology to help transferring photo to canvas. Scan the photo and save on computer with a file name in "jpg" format. Using "Irfan view", I select that file and mark the area that is to be painted. Now from edit mode, select "crop the image" and than save as giving the file name again in "jpg" format. Print the newly saved image selecting margin (vertical and Horizontal 2.00 which leaves 1" margin on all four sides). It's easy to use that black and white image as a guide-line with square grid drawn with pencil. Image on the canvas can be multiplied as big as we need.
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Old 10-23-2004, 07:51 PM   #37
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I now use photoshop a lot, and it works great

I finally put photoshop in my computer. I also bought a printer/scanner/copier. I can scan photos into my computer, bring them up in photoshop, crop them to make a reasonable composition, and then resize them to match the canvas size I plan to use.

For example, if I'm planning a 20X24 inch canvas, I can resize my image to 20X24 centimeters. Then, you can mark off a grid in centimeters, which will square up easily to 20X24 inches. Doesn't matter what the units are -- cm's or inches -- so long as they are all square.

Just some more thinking on this subject.

Finally, someone was talking like they were feeling guilty for measuring and for using other lens-type equipment in transfering to the canvas. I once had an instructor who used to say a couple of things: There is no cheating, and "MEASURE, MEASURE, MEASURE."

I add the measure thing because I've read the alleged words of many fine painters who said the same thing -- MEASURE. My goodness, we're painting human faces, here. It's okay, in a landscape, to move a tree or a rock a little this way or that way, but if you move the nose an inch two this way or that way, it ain't gonna look like uncle Fred. We simply have to be as precise as possible when we're doing faces.
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Old 10-24-2004, 10:34 AM   #38
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When working from a photo, I've simplified the grid method for me by printing out the image at exactly the size it will be on the canvas, even if it takes several sheets. After creating the grid, I cut the prints into long strips 3" wide running across the canvas. I lay each strip onto the canvas so I can see both the area I'm drawing and the same area on the print at the same time. Thie eliminates all the conversion of scale and the turning back and forth between canvas and print. This makes the actual drawing process go much faster and the drawing more accurate, more than making up for the extra preparation time.
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Old 10-30-2004, 06:46 PM   #39
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Why not have your photo ink-jetted onto a canvas and retouch it?
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Old 10-30-2004, 10:12 PM   #40
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A bit cranky, Sharon?

We all use one method or another. Gridding, or squaring up, has been used since art began. It is written about in regard to Da Vinci, Michealangelo, and all the other biggies. If it was okay for them, isn't is okay for us?
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