Very limited palette

Virgil Elliott · 03-02-2005, 03:25 AM

If this is successful, there will be an image of a Rembrandt head here. His palette is known to have included lead white, lead-tin yellow, earth reds and yellows, umber, cassel earth, bone black, red and sometimes yellow lakes. No cadmiums, of course, since they did not exist in his time, and very rarely vermilion. His brighter reds were more often earth reds with red lakes mixed in (madder or cochineal).

Virgil Elliott

Scott Bartner · 03-02-2005, 07:09 AM

"I've got the best palette in the whole world!"

"No, mine is better than yours!"

"Mine can wip yours any day!"

"Can not!"

"Can too!"

"You'd better shut up or I'm telling my mom!"

Marvin Mattelson · 03-02-2005, 11:11 AM

Scott thanks so much for pointing this out to me.

Minh Thong · 03-02-2005, 12:50 PM

My pigment vendor can whip your linseed supplier with one hand tied around his easel?

Minh

(But still .... Zorn "second tier"? [clutching chest again] "Aaauuuuugh!"

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Marvin Mattelson · 03-02-2005, 02:13 PM

Mihn, I would group Zorn along with Sargent, although I favor Zorn a little more. Second tier in the pantheon is no small potatoes. Remember this is just my pantheon.

Minh Thong · 03-07-2005, 10:29 AM

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Second tier in the pantheon is no small potatoes. Remember this is just my pantheon.

Fair enough ... I prefer Leffel portraits to Kinstler, and that would give most folks an aneurysm.

Minh

Tony Pro · 03-08-2005, 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Marvin Mattelson

Mihn, I would group Zorn along with Sargent, although I favor Zorn a little more. Second tier in the pantheon is no small potatoes. Remember this is just my pantheon.

Marvin

I think trying to compare Zorn, Sargent and Sorolla to Bouguereau is like comparing apples to oranges. They are 2 completely different types of painters, which I am sure you are aware of. I don't think Bouguereau could even come close to painting FROM LIFE in the ALLA PRIMA method that Zorn and Sargent could do. And I think the reverse about long, finished paintings... Bouguereau was a master of this. He was a master subtlety in skin tones. These artists were going after something different, as I think you and Tim are. You guys are both fantastic artists and it would be ashame to try and compare the 2 of your works side by side in a comparison of sorts. 2 different methods of painting, both ways are effective because they are effective for the individual artist.

This whole debate in this thread reminds me of the scene from "Lust for Life" where Kirk Douglas (playing Van Gogh) is arguing over palettes with Seurat and Gauguin.... if you haven't seen this movie, it's a classic!!!! One of my all time favorites.

My point is this, we all have passion for this thing called painting... We are all trying for the same success in painting but we are each taking different paths. Passion is the fuel of our spirits and this is what drives us.....

Keep the fires burning!
Tony

Minh Thong · 03-10-2005, 12:24 PM

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This whole debate in this thread reminds me of the scene from "Lust for Life"

Now there's a movie begging for a modern remake. I think Kirk Douglas was wonderful in it, as was Anthony Quinn. Based on everything I've read about Vinny V., Douglas' portrayal was dead on. However, imagine modern techniques in film ... an over-the-top actor with a Dutch accent ... I would definitely pay to see that! The only movie about an artist I liked better was 'Artemesia' in French with subtitles. Awesome movie.

Minh