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Old 05-26-2007, 10:00 PM   #1
Steven Sweeney Steven Sweeney is offline
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No, Marvin, thanks for the taunt, but I don't purchase and study other painters' instructional DVDs for laughs, nor out of contempt for them, nor to compare myself to those artists. They are all my superiors in the arts, by definition. I buy them only after I've seen the particular artists' work and have been so very taken by it that I wanted to know more about their methods. I buy them because I have more to learn, and I don't rely on one source for all of my information.

No studio or workshop teaches everything about all of it, but I can't get to all the workshops anyway. I'm not stuck in any genre, and a lot of different methods and materials handling and philosophies intrigue me. Yes, it's true, after training in the figure and portrait at an atelier, I could not paint landscapes as well as Jay Moore or Scott Christensen. Their professionalism and generosity in putting their teachings "out there" in DVD form permitted me the extreme pleasure of watching their work evolve from concept to finished masterpiece. By all accounts, their workshops are as full as ever. I certainly didn't just pop some corn and sit back and watch these masters for yucks. Nor do I hold my classical realist instructors at fault for not making sure I could paint like Moore or Christensen before I left.

And no, I don't know if the methodologies of the 19th century can be improved upon. I've been recently told that some 19th century materials, including painting substrates and pigment vehicles, couldn't be improved on, but I'm not sure that's gospel, either. I admit, it's harder and harder to know which shell the pea is under.

The suggestion that this Forum's moderators are deleting your posts, out of some kind of animosity or envy or whatever motivation is imagined, isn't true. You well know that. You have been given completely free rein since being reinstated after the low point in this Forum's history, years ago now. If any of your posts have been deleted, I suspect that it may have been a matter of authorial discretion after the fact. An audit record would clarify who did what, when, if the software here permits it.

That's enough of this thread for me. This last-artist-standing approach doesn't much feed the soul.
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Old 05-27-2007, 11:23 AM   #2
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Steven, I believe that if one understands painting in a contextual way, switching from genre to genre is not problematic. Proper analysis of the subject matter is what puts you into the game. I would vehiminately disagree with your assumption that "No studio or workshop teaches everything about all of it." Not true for me! I know it sounds arrogant, if you take it literally, but what I teach is wholistic and profound. In Zenspeak, "If you know one thing you know everything." Eastern philosophy is formulated on applying the context of Yin and Yang to all modalities (medicine, astrology and martial arts for example) and my teaching is based on Yin and Yang.

Most people that teach, teach their specific technical approach, so as a result, you get a lot of students whose work is indistinguisable from the teachers, at best, or at least seems stylistically similar, usually with poorer drawing. It's the artistic version of the difference between serving a man a meal or teaching him to farm.

If one learns how to interpret the portrait and the figure on a two dimentional surface, where drawing is the most critical, moving to the still life or landscape should not problematic or require a different approach.

Here is an excerpt from a recent email sent to me by my former student Daisuke (Dice) Tsutsumi who, incidentally was just hired by Pixar.

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And of course, I never forget that my painting/illustration skill really comes from your class. Wheather you see it or not, i do still use your theory in my work all the time. Especially now, I do a lot of lighting studies/lighting art directing for movies. You really taught me so much about lighting and picture making fundamentals.

Here are some of his plein air landscapes: http://www.simplestroke.com/wp/?page_id=17 Look at the sylistic characteristics of his work and tell me if you can see any hint of me in there.

When I alluded to the comedic aspect of watching DVD's or videos of other artists' approach I was humerously alluding to the vast number of products that seem less than cognisant to me. I didn't mean to imply that every such offering lacks merit. The good ones, in my opinion are few and far between.

Regarding the deletion issue, one of the board members proudly and publically stated on another forum, that all my posts had been reviewed and everything which that particular board member found offensive was deleted. You can draw your own conclusions.

Personally I believe that a healty debate over differing approaches serves a very functional purpose, to make people think. It is in the mind where great art is created. Challenging the beliefs of others, as I see it, is a positive, not a negative thing. As Joel Osteen said, "You will never change what you tolerate." If education is the objective here then debate should be encouraged. If I challenge your ideas it doesn't mean I'm attacking you as a person. That is where, if I were running this forum, I would draw the line. Unfortunately some people are quite chippy and can't see the difference. Sometimes being "off topic" is where the learning transpires.

Rote learning, in my opinion, is NOT a healthy way to learn. For myself, the WHY? aspect is just as necessary as the how. I have to own it. Learning and growth are also not necessarily supposed to be comfortable. Growing pains are part of equation, and I don't believe there can ever be too high a price to pay for true knowledge. We celebrate the pioneers who in the past dared to question the status quo in order to take things a step up, but we roll our eyes when someone, like me, challenges the status quo, as it effects us.

One last thing I would like to address while I still have the floor here, is that even though I do have strong opinions, I do respect the opinions of others, yet I still reserve the right to disagree with them. This is the right that our soldiers, who we are remembering this holiday weekend, sacrificed their lives for.

We are all but tiny little grains of sand, relative to the infinite vastness of the cosmos. To loose sight of that fact and believe our grain is better than any other, is what, in my humble opinion, defines arrogance, not asserting one's humble opinion.
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Old 05-27-2007, 12:18 PM   #3
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Years ago, I was a member of a group with identical opinions on most of our beliefs (not having to do with art, but I think the analogy holds). One member came in with very different opinions, and the arguments got heavy for a while. At one point, the arguer said, "Maybe I should leave". But another member spoke up and said, "We may not agree with you, but hearing your differences is valuable, because it forces us to examine our own beliefs more closely."
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