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04-21-2009, 06:24 PM
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April,
I believe that the indoor light is better because it's softer.
It's important to spot meassure at the light side of the face to be sure that it is not washed out.
If the shadow side of the face turns out to be too dark you will have to bounce some light into that area by the help of a large white sheed of cardboard or a white canvas, not a lamp or flashlight.
Check the photo once you have taken the shot to see how much light you need. If you can get a person to hold the reflecting cardboard, then you can direct the person while you check for the best light. Once you have gotten the best light, then you can consentrate on the models expression.
When you choose background try to get the lightest lights and the darkest darks in the figure, and keep the background less contrasty.
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04-22-2009, 06:00 PM
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April, you set up your experiment and got so much information in the process. Thanks for posting your photos. They are great examples of different lighting conditions and should be helpful to other artists.
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04-22-2009, 06:32 PM
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PHOTOGRAPHY MODERATOR SOG Member '03 Finalist Taos SOPA '03 HonMen SoCal ASOPA '03 Finalist SoCal ASOPA '04 Finalist Taos SOPA
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April,
Here's a few thoughts ...
I like to move the drape/background as far back as I can get it from the subject. This keeps it from being too literal. I know you can paint it how ever you want, but I think you can engineer good shapes back there that can be rather inspirational. You can pin your material such that it can offer folds which end up being nice shapes (not literally material) of light an dark.
Also, if you are using a zoom lens, keep yourself out on the 80mm+ end if you can. Move your tripod up and back instead of altering the zoom. Be conscious that you are not down in the lower end of the range.
I also like to have people sit in a chair or bar stool instead of just standing in front of the camera. This gives the opportunity for more compositional variation. The knee can come up, the elbo can go to the knee, the hand to the face. Also, twisting the shoulders and the head can offer variation.
I'm not crazy about the shirts. I prefer a shirt with a standard collar and I really like a bow tie on a young boy. An interesting thing to add to the image and not very difficult to paint. I think it leaps the image forward a great deal and makes it more timeless.
Pay close attention to the light influences on the shadow side of the face. It's best to close off any light sources such as doors, windows etc. You need the dark as much as you need the light. It's a constant balancing between the two. I prefer a little more variance between the two than you show. If you spot meter the lit side of the face, as Allan suggests, it should take care of the exposure of the face and the rest will be acceptable.
Good luck
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04-23-2009, 08:53 PM
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Thanks Allen and Mike,
This is exactly the practical advice I was looking for. I find the photography part of the process the most agonizing part of the whole process. Probably because of the time limit with the model. I would do myself a favor by practicing on anyone who will sit for me, (which is no one in this house.)
Mike, I wanted to clarify about the zoom lens. I have a 75-300mm lens. Are you saying I should be in the lower numbers?
Thanks so much for your time in helping me figure out these issues.
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04-23-2009, 09:36 PM
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PHOTOGRAPHY MODERATOR SOG Member '03 Finalist Taos SOPA '03 HonMen SoCal ASOPA '03 Finalist SoCal ASOPA '04 Finalist Taos SOPA
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April,
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Also, if you are using a zoom lens, keep yourself out on the 80mm+ end if you can. Move your tripod up and back instead of altering the zoom. Be conscious that you are not down in the lower end of the range.
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I was assuming you might have one of the "kit" lenses in the 35-100mm range. It looks like you are using an SLR type camera, and that's a good thing.
You are interpreting my remarks correctly. When you are doing photography indoors it's sometimes difficult to find a room which allows for such a long lens. You can't back up far enough without bumping into a wall. Staying in the 80mm+- range will avoid certain types of camera distortion.
I operate mostly with two zoom lenses. One like the shorter variety mentioned above and another extending to 300 such as you describe. The longer lenses I use in the out of doors because there are fewer space constraints.
If you find that your budget allows you might look for a used zoom of a shorter variety. This will give you more flexibility indoors.
Also, be mindful of the height of your camera as it relates to the height of your subjects eyes. It appears that you have set up slightly above the little fellows. This gives you more of the top of the head that you should want. Try to stay level or just slightly below eye level. It's a common mistake made when shooting the kidos. A tripod is almost a must as well. This will reduce the camera shake (blurring subject) in the low light situations which always seem to come up indoors.
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04-26-2009, 01:46 PM
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Thanks again Mike for your suggestions. Very Helpful!
The lens that came with the camera is 18-55mm and the zoom is 75-300mm. So I have a bit of a gap, but the 80mm setting works pretty well with the space I have, so I think I'm good for now.
Couple more basic questions if you don't mind. Pardon me if you've answered these questions a hundred times.
Should I set the camera on the aperture priority setting and at what aperture? I have a Canon Rebel and the lowest it will go is 4.0.
What is the best ISO?
I've been using a tripod, but I don't have the remote to release the shutter. I guess that would be a good investment.
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04-26-2009, 03:34 PM
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PHOTOGRAPHY MODERATOR SOG Member '03 Finalist Taos SOPA '03 HonMen SoCal ASOPA '03 Finalist SoCal ASOPA '04 Finalist Taos SOPA
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Should I set the camera on the aperture priority setting and at what aperture? I have a Canon Rebel and the lowest it will go is 4.0.
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April,
There are reasonable strategies for each of the settings. I mostly operate in the "P," or, program mode. I then monitor my exposure (mostly my shutter speed) in the view finder. If you are unsure at this point I would use either the "program" or the "portrait" mode and don't concern yourself so much with this number. When I operate in the "portrait" mode my camera wants to pop the flash up when it thinks the light is to low. This is aggravating to me so I lean toward the "program" mode.
Aperature (shutter speed is how long, aperature is how wide, and exposure is the result of the combined two) is mostly a function of "depth of field." The lower the number the less dof you will have. If you want to bring into focus your subjects and the mountain behind them you should use an 11+, or "landscape" mode. If you want to focus on the eyes and blur behind the head you should use as low an aperature as you can, or, place your camera in portrait mode. These so called descriptive modes understand that your intention is a specific dof and work toward an exposure to achieve this end. Focal length can also have an impact on dof.
The following was taken from a thread way back in June of '04. These digital cameras were still a little fresh to most of us just a few short years ago. This thread is titled "ISO Eperiment" and is here:
http://forum.portraitartist.com/show...&highlight=iso
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I wonder why it chose these settings on such a bright sunny day?
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Jean,
Thank you for that question.
Given the lighting conditions you describe, the camera made a perfectly reasonable choice.
If you had taken the time to switch your ISO setting to 200 or 400, then taken a photograph of the same scene with the same light, you would not be able to tell the difference one little bit. The only difference would be that the camera would have chosen a progressively higher shutter speed.
And, if you had returned to that same scene in the late evening with much less available light, with your camera in auto ISO mode, it no doubt would have selected a much higher ISO.
When you, or your camera, select a higher ISO, it
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