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Old 10-26-2009, 08:35 PM   #1
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I'd be really hesitant to do that.

If no-one gives you an answer here, John, try over at amien.org.
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Old 10-26-2009, 08:40 PM   #2
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I am very hesitant. My question is more for validation than for a change to my regular procedures.

I believe the artists mentioned don't worry too much about longevity.
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Old 10-27-2009, 12:46 AM   #3
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I know of some very fine artists who do this because it means they no longer need to be involved once the check clears. People do all sorts of questionable things in my view. They add dammar varnish to mediums, use alkyd mediums, use Maroger medium, use acrylic grounds and use paint containing zinc.

I think a portrait artist has a responsibility to deliver archivally sound work that will last for many generations. A painting needs to be perfectly dry before the varnish can be applied. This includes Soluvar as well.
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Old 10-27-2009, 09:26 AM   #4
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Thanks, Marvin. Even though I don't understand every word you wrote, I believe in your assessment.
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Old 10-27-2009, 11:48 AM   #5
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Which words don't you understand?
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Old 10-27-2009, 12:43 PM   #6
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I usually am quiet so people might think I'm smarter than I am but this is one instance I must confess I don't know what Maroger medium is.

I remember my Latin teacher told me she thought I was smart. If only she knew I usually was just lost in her class.
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Old 10-27-2009, 04:40 PM   #7
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John, "Maroger's Medium" is the combination of "black oil", which is linseed oil cooked with litharge to saturation, and a saturated "cut" of mastic tears (the resin of the pistacio tree) in turpentine. The mixture forms a thixotropic gel, which becomes fluid with manipulation and sets up as a gel when undisturbed. Jacques Maroger was the head conservator at the Louve for a number of years through the 1940's, and this medium is the result of years of experimentation on his part . He called it "Rubens' Medium" as he believed he had re-created a "secret" of this old master, which had been a "holy grail" alluded to by DeMayrne, who presumed to document Rubens' studio practises duing his lifetime, and sought after by no less than Joshua Reynolds, whose experimentations resulted in a number of forumlae generally employing water-soluble gums (e.g., gum arabic, gum tragacanth) to effect a jelly-like consistency. These were used quite widely through the 18th and 19th century, were known generically as "Meguilp" (which can be found spelled about a hundred (?) different ways) and equally well-known to be the root cause of a wide range of paint failures.

Maroger's is the favorite medium to hate among painters who feel the cause of all manner of paint failures is the use of resins and treated oils of any type, and detrimental to archival permanence.

Shooting from the hip (always a bad idea) I believe Soluvar, like Gamvar, is an isoacrylate resin, and if so, as Marvin advises, it would be bad practise to apply it as a final varnish to a painting that is not thoroughly dry. I'm off to see if I can learn what kind of material Soluvar actually is.
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